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T Sunstone
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I ordered a 1/2 doz Trads from Paul at Badger arrows last Monday and received them on Wednesday. Great, fast service and very friendly. I haven't had a lot of time to test the arrows but they are shooting like darts out of my 63# long bow w/ brass inserts and 175 grain head full length arrows total weight 657 grains.
Someone said you can't bare shaft tune these, is that true? They are flying great but I just keep thinking maybe the nock point needs to be up some. I was shooting 20/20's which is a much smaller shaft by 20,000 of an inch. Seems like the nock point should be higher, what do you guys think?

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Wont hurt to bump it up a 1/16" at a time and see what happens, you can always put it back.
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Danny Rowan
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Nope, ADs will not bare shaft, do not waste you time. If they are flying good, just shoot. If ya need to bump up the nock do it you can always lower it again.

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amar911
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What Danny said.

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Walt Francis
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Danny and amar911, why won't they bare shaft? I hadn’t heard that.

I guess it is good that nobody told me they couldn't be bare shafted or I wouldn’t have tried. Not knowing better, last summer I bare shafted my AD Trad's and got them to hit the same as my feathered AD’s from 5 to30 yards. I didn't try them past that distance, but it freaked out my friends when I shot unfletched arrows at 3D targets at 20 to 30 yards and they all hit within a few inches of my feathered arrows, while flying straight.

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T Sunstone
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Glad to hear they will bare shaft tune. I did shoot it in the basement at only 8 yards and they hit where I looked but not always straight.
Thanks Walt.

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Danny Rowan
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Walt,

Arrow Dynamics says not to bareshaft them, also Ted Fry told me that. Plus I have seen several threads on people trying to bareshaft them and could not get them to do it. Guess you were the exception to the rule.

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yes you can bare shaft ads. at leat the adcock method. thats how i got my nock point right on, as well as spine, i also shoot a 63 at 28 lb but i draw 30+ i use the exact setup as you, i use the 100 grain brass inserts, i started with 220gr tips they showed weak, then 200 still weak but 175 ended just a tad weak but reall good with broad heads, then i painted and crested wich added just a little weight to the rear and they group dead on with great bare flight.
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Yep Danny they are right , the company does not recommend it but a buddy of mine ( shaun) and I messed around with them for a whole Saturday and we could move the impact point around by cutting off a little and playing around with the point weight,n ever would have believed it if I hadnt seen it.
Mind you however this was with a center cut recurve.
Most of the time for me , it works just to throw three feathers on and go(guess I'm lucky), but we could move impact point around.
Nice to learn something new from time to time.

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Danny Rowan
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Well,I just know what works for me and my bows. I am old school and if I shoot wood, I know what spine I need and length plus point weight because I use a formula to figure it out, the AD's I just took Ted's advise and they work for me. Bareshafting has never worked for me, too much can go wrong and it is way too time consuming and confusing.

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T Sunstone
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quote:
Originally posted by jrchambers:
yes you can bare shaft ads. at leat the adcock method. thats how i got my nock point right on, as well as spine, i also shoot a 63 at 28 lb but i draw 30+ i use the exact setup as you, i use the 100 grain brass inserts, i started with 220gr tips they showed weak, then 200 still weak but 175 ended just a tad weak but reall good with broad heads, then i painted and crested wich added just a little weight to the rear and they group dead on with great bare flight.

Were you shooting full length arrows?
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yes full length. still show a little weak
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So how do most of you tune? Do you just shoot broad heads and field points?

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i just folowed the adcock method which has bare and fletched as well as broadheads and field points.
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All I shoot is the arrow dynamic traditional and traditional lites and I've never had a problem bare shaft tuning them. Even out of several different bows, longbow or recurve.
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