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BCWV
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It's a very good program. Our club is also involved and like anything else we just get out of it what's put into it.
We also have family and kids days where we help anyone who would like to take up archery at our club.
I enjoy traditional but wheels or not, it's all good.

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Eugene Slagle
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quote:
Originally posted by Morning Star:
Anytime you can put a bow in a kid's hand is a good thing. This program brings them to more kids than any other.

As far as "no archery involved". The Genesis bows operate without letoff and draw length adjustments, so I fail to see how the process of shooting is any different than a traditional bow.

Like many of us here, I only needed the fire to be lit with a compound.

I agree 100%, granted the Genesis bows aren't the best thing out there but for what they are made for they do work beautifully.

I help teach archery courses from time to time with a instructor friend of mine & the NASP program does exactly what it's designed for, bring new kids to the sport of archery but like my friend & I emphasize on is that if the individule want's to persue archery further then proper fitting of a better bow is a requirement to get that person shooting properly for the long haul.

Many of us Trad shooters came from the wheels be it a nitch to them or a passion all together but the NASP really puts the spark in there for the person to take further.

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I guess I'm just an old trad fuddy duddy, but when I was a kid in grade school we had lemonwood longbows and wood arrows. We shot outside at round target butts in gym class (another long gone item in most school systems).

Compton does not sponsor wheel bows in the schools.

If there is "no let off" on a Genesis bow, then what are the wheels for?

Maybe we should take personal responsibility and - Each One Reach One, Each One Teach One!

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I think the cool techie nature of the Mathews Genesis will make more kids want to shoot. As they get older and learn more about archery they will decide if they want to shoot "training wheels" or traditional. In the mean time, they have a bow in their hands and they are enjoying the art of archery.

I think that's a BFD (as the Vice President would say).

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quote:
Originally posted by Shaun:


If there is "no let off" on a Genesis bow, then what are the wheels for?


Hi Shaun!

Although there is no let off and no draw length, there is a cam that does store additional energy. The "wheels" also keep the draw weight consistant thoughout the draw. If it's set for 15#'s say, it is 15#'s at 20" and 15#'s at 30". Not saying I love the bow, but it sure seems practical for what the program uses it for. It would seem to be a much easier sell to the school district knowing a 4th grader or 12th grader could use the same bow without any adjustments at all.

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quote:
Originally posted by crotch horn:
It is a great program. ANYTHING that promotes hunting as fun or in a good light to kids and their parents is a VERY good thing. We all need to support programs that get our youth thinking outdoors.

Thats the beauty of the program is that it does not introduce hunting, but the sport of archery.

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One note: I agree that getting a bow into the kids hands is great, even a wheel bow. I host a shoot on Labor Day and we use Genesis bows borrowed from a large NASP school in Galesburgh. The people who help me are all wheel bow shooters with a lot of experience and good instructors. Even get a couple of pro shooters from Hoyt and PSE. Would be nice if I could get more trad shooters there.

Back to NASP. The one down side is that they need a sponsor (teacher). The teacher does not have to know how to shoot a bow. In our local school, the gym teacher has never shot a bow. The kids have fun but they get a bit bored or frustrated because they don't progress. Seems like the program is going to die because of that.

NASP should have a qualified instructor. Where it does, it's great

Sam

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I teach NASP at the small elementary school where I am the gym teacher. I enjoy it but I'm always ready for the unit to be done after the 2 weeks. I do it with 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders. There is one of me and an average of 26 kids in the class. Stressful to say the least. The genesis bows allow the kids to have success and fun right away. I always bring in a selfbow, longbow and a recurve and do a shooting demo for the kids to show them the traditional side of it. This year I dazzled the kids by breaking balloons at 12 meters while laying on my back.

The best thing we can do as a traditional community to promote traditional equiptment is to volunteer in the NASP program to help the teacher with safety and instruction and ask for a chance to demonstrate our bows. You can also volunteer to help with maintance of equipment. This is a very expensive unit if you have to hire pro shops to refletch arrows, reserve strings, etc.
Yes, I wish the NASP program consisted of stickbows but what traditional bow company would be willing to donate thousands of bows at cost so the schools could afford it? NASP is growing by leaps and bounds, join in and take the opportunity to show the kids that there is life beyond the compound.

Sam, some teachers use NASP as an introductory to archery. They have a small unit where the kids get exposure to the sport. Others are more into it (they are archers themselves most likely) and take it to another level where they have an after school program and they compete on the local, state, and even national level. It is all good. My program falls somewhere in between. Anybody can get certified through NASP and with approval from the school, coach an after school program. Maybe your local school could use someone to take the program under it's wing and expand it?
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I run a NASP program as an afterschool archery program for the parks department I work at. It is getting a lot of kids involved in archery. How can that be a bad thing?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ssamac:


Back to NASP. The one down side is that they need a sponsor (teacher). The teacher does not have to know how to shoot a bow. In our local school, the gym teacher has never shot a bow. The kids have fun but they get a bit bored or frustrated because they don't progress. Seems like the program is going to die because of that.

NASP should have a qualified instructor. Where it does, it's great

Sam

Gotta agree with that. My son is in that predicament right now. The school program is split between boys and girls (not coed) and the girls are taking their turn right now. Neither the men's or women's PE teacher has experience except for this portion of PE. Luckily, my son was eager to get his own certification however he had to wait till his 15th birthday (required minimum age). Two weeks ago he was sucessful in passing the education, shooting and test and is now certified. The teachers are now asking him for help and assistance. He is also allowed to bring his own bow which most definetely better then the equipment on hand.
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I run an archery club at my high school. We shoot a few times a year (weather and time permitting) using the NASP Genesis bows. The kids are taught the instinctive method and I am a stickler on encouraging them to focus on their form. The bow are perfect because they do allow weight adjustment and consistency of grip. IMHO, shooting a bow with no let-off, no sights, with fingers is more-or-less traditional, nes ce pas? Is 'traditional' about the bow or the method? I guess that's the question. IMHO, traditional is about the mentality and method of hunting, not the bow in hand. An instinctively shot bow with fingers, proper respect for the sport complete with hours logged of practice, and respect for the game tend to define traditional archery for me... so, regardless, I find NASP essential in maintaining the sport! Plus how many of us started on the compound and made a switch or shoot both? Kids shooting any bow any way equals a win for archery [Smile]

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I hear you. A number of us have volunteered, most a lot more qualified than me since they have been intructors for years, but the School Supt only permits certified teachers to be in the school programs. That goes for baseball, basketball etc.

Net result of this is that they have hired some very poor teachers who are excellent basketball coaches and vice versa. I applaud this gym teacher for doing as much as she can and getting the program started and getting herself licensed to teach this as part of gym class. Many of us chipped in to cover the cost. (There's a matching fund for this). But this could get a lot farther if there were an experienced instructor who could show the kids how to shoot, identify form issues, etc.

But sure better than not having the program at all.

sam

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ALL for archery in the schools, wheelie bow or traditional. Archery with any bow is better than the gun he could be holding hanging with the wrong club outside of school.

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It is a great program. I am trained and run it as a club for my 7th and 8th graders (I am not a phys. ed teacher). The genesis bows with the wheels store more energy for the draw weight and give a faster flatter arrow flight, giving a quicker level of success and satisfaction. I have also been supplementing with trad bows, but only the older bows can draw bows that give the same speed as the mathews do at less weight. No sights and finger release still teach the fundamentals of form, and the kids love to try the trad equipment. Any one we can bite with teh archery bug is a good addition.

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just a quick note about NASP. this weekend in Louisville, KY they are having the NASP national tournament. 7600 kids are preregistered. how can that be bad for anything. people volunteering to run the tournament, schools accepting archery in today's society, parents supporting a shooting sport, and thousands of kids introduced to archery. just let the arrows fly.

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